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The Temptation of St. Carrie

WTF? a third-rate skank 4 Jesus from the lamer portions of San Diego County utters a barely intelligible defense of what she learned in youth group between fingerbangings in an effing beauty contest and now she’s the hero of the Right? it is as if Joe the Plumber and Miss South Carolina have merged.

does she even realize that nobody of any worth to society except homosexual men (and now hipsters) has ever WATCHED the Miss America Pageant?

WTF do we even care abt this story????? unlike in the days when anita bryant ejaculated messages about the family, today GLBT Americans are relatively safe and have massive public support across the civilized portions of the nation. if HRC gave up this h8 crymez joke and actually campaigned for civil rights (what we pay them for) the issue would be solved and Carrie Prejean and all her friends (the idiots, not the conservatives, though there is a fair amount of overlap) would be deported to a reservation in Nevada.

Concerned that we are too concerned about a stupid whore who’s this week’s head of the crazy Southern (and Fundie/MRMN/TradCath) party.

UPDATE: HRC is wasting no time getting back to doing absolutely nothing this session. glad to see the meaningless Shepard Bill may finally become a law. Meanwhile, my br0 can get evicted cuz he’s ghey.


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The GOP and gays

Andrew Sullivan summarizes the party’s stance:

The likely incoming RNC head sets the mood. His views are orthodox Christianism. Which means that unashamed gay people have no place in the Republican party. They are increasingly defined by their loathing of gay people. It’s one of very few non-negotiable principles they have left. Meanwhile, unsurprisingly, Log Cabin is in the red by $100,000. A couple of decades ago, the possibility of reforming the GOP to be inclusive of gays was real. It is now dead. The bigots won.

As a Democrat, I could be glad that my party is basically guaranteed 5-10% of the population (give or take a few closeted homophobes, whose numbers are decreasing greatly due to cultural and political changes). But the fact that a major political party has made itself opposed to an entire class of citizens, claiming they do not actually exist, deeply troubles me.

This is the problem for civil rights today. Nobody ever denied that blacks exist. But Christianists mantain that “same-gender attraction” is a problem that can be overcome. Imagine someone saying the same thing about Blackness or Jewishness!

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I’m a pro-gay Christian and I vote

Speaking of the calls for reconciliation between the LGBT movement and orthodox/conservative religion, Andrew Sullivan had this to say:

I agree and have tried to do this over the years (and failed at times). But there also comes a time when it is clear that reason is not motivating the other side and it becomes humanly very difficult to negotiate with people whose non-negotiable principle is retaining the power to define and control your lives. They key is finding those religious interlocutors open to listening. Their numbers have dwindled under the force of resurgent fundamentalism.

I am glad to say that I am among the few orthodox believers out there who has any respect for pluralism and secularism. I am open to listening to anybody. In addition, many other young Christians support you. Even at places like BJU and BYU, the movement is growing due to a youth revolution. Young people are beginning to care about things. I see this every day at the U. I see it in my student ward. Sooner or later, the world will change, and Christians of all stripes need to welcome that inevitable change. We must give up reaction and return to the timeless principles of Christian action on behalf of humanity.

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OMG OMG OMG they are trying to kill t3h Mormanz!

Typical apocalyptic insanity from the Mormons who have forgotten what persecution actually is:

But a great many people are talking about pursuing the Church and its members in other ways: picketing temples, going after tax exemptions and going after the livelihoods of people who dare to think and vote differently than them. And, most crucially, when they are confronted with the inhumanity of persecuting a specific religious group, they justify almost any action because we are Mormons. Stop and think for a second: would society at large tolerate such behavior against Jews, against Muslims? The clear answer is no, but Mormons appear to be a completely unprotected minority, free to be vilified and persecuted without repercussions.

Ooooh I am so scared of gay people I think I’m being persecuted. I meanwhile, basically spent the whole last week working for gay rights in Utah and never had any of these fanciful BYU dream-type attacks.

By the way, the fear many have of a challenge to the Church’s 501 (c) (3) status is unfounded. If anything, such a suit would give the Church a good chance to make up for the PR it has lost to civil libertarians in the past few years by helping overturn a blatantly unconstitutional law which limits freedom of religion. Likewise, anyone who advocates gay rights yet refuses to acknowledge the unconstitutionality of interference in religious affairs should not call himself a civil libertarian.

Also, the blogger goes on to call the religious right modern day Alexander Doniphans. Although Alexander Doniphan didn’t want us to go to hell, the fundies do hate gay people almost as much as we (sadly) do.

in other news, NOBODY HAS GONE AFTER OUR “LIVELIHOODS” although we, as a people, have gone after those of LGBT Americans.

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Something horrible from the bloggernacle

From this place:

Make no mistake– the same-sex community will NOT stop with Prop 8, and they will not be satisfied with just Next, they’ll want demonstrative CompatiblePartners TV commercials. Then they will go after the school curricula and the churches and any other part of traditional society they can overturn. It’ll be push, push, push– and the cracks will multiply and get bigger each time because of precedents.

Why do so many of my coreligionists spend so much time dreaming up Gay v. Mormon civil war fantasies and making us look like idiots? In this year, we’ve lost basically everything we’ve gained since the Roosevelt administration. And it looks like it won’t come back soon. Why can’t these people just acknowledge that there are gay people and be done with it rather than blathering on about the “temptation” of “same-sex attraction.”

I thank God I’m not at BYU right now.

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Baptists not attacking us?

A pro-Mormon Church petition is being spread by fundagelicals thanking us for destroying the rights of Californians

The list includes Dr. James Dobson and Tom Minnery of Focus on the Family, Chuck Colson, Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer, Bishop Harry Jackson and other marriage advocates.

If these are the church’s allies now, I can safely say apostasy is near. Remember when we cared about social order and human rights, rather than knee-jerk reactionary inanity? We’ve lost the support of the civilized world, but we have gained these hate-mongering bozos. Maybe next year we will team up with Khamenei and King Abdullah to promote the traditional family abroad!

Eric S. Peterson comments on the whole Prop 8 debacle:

But there is light too. The equality movement still has momentum of course and shouldn’t be counted out yet. Especially with advocacy groups at home and elsewhere putting the pressure on for more sex orientation and identity equity on a number of fronts from housing to employment non-discrimination. The problem is that while this revolution is still coming together, the LDS position is not only as strong as before but is now starting to win over their long time evangelical foes. The Baptists, who would never invite the Mormons into their cool Christians club before, have now signed onto an online petition thanking the LDS church for its support on the issue.
It’s beginning to look like this last election was a revolution. But with the Obama-phenomena magically blue-ifying states across the conservative south and west, perhaps a counter revolution by the religious right maybe in the works. What’s that choking sensation I feel? Why it might just be the bible belt, slung over the Rockies and slowly being cinched up.

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Don’t throw a hissy fit, organize

lol, governor/president young is a 13-year-old on myspace!

lol, governor/president young is a 13-year-old on myspace!

The good folks at Equality Utah, rather than go all silly and poopy, are actually doing something constructive. Rather than constructively making our voices heard, far too many gay rights and marriage equality advocates are turning to the same methods of attack, emotionality, and divisiveness that our enemies used in California. Anyways, EU said at yesterday’s press conference:

The LDS Church has articulated it is not “anti-gay” but rather pro-marriage and it “does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights.” On November 5th, Elder L. Whitney Clayton stated the LDS Church does not oppose “civil unions or domestic partnerships.”

In response to these statements, Equality Utah is drafting legislation for the 2009 General Session of the Utah Legislature to address each of the issues mentioned by the LDS Church. During this press conference Equality Utah will be asking the LDS Church to demonstrate its conviction on these statements as well as its willingness to secure such rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Utahns.

As a result of at least one aspect of the movement acting civilized and uplifting, we may make some gains in Utah. Like civil unions. Or hell, even nondiscrimination laws or taking sodomy off the book (though it is no longer enforced). Or at least they have called out on a bluff.

Why Utah keeps its sodomy law on the books is beyond me. Are the wingnuts from Utah County hoping that five Scalia clones on the Supreme Court could get that law constitutional again?

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“You can’t live on hope alone, but without it, life is not worth living.”

Though he is not a member of the gay politburo (yet), Dale Carpenter criticizes the direction the movement has gone in the wake of the MASSIVE FAIL last Tuesday:

Nevertheless, I am uncomfortable with pickets directed at specific places of worship like the Mormon church in Los Angeles. It’s too easy for such protests to degenerate into the kinds of ugly religious intolerance this country has long endured. Mormons, in particular, have historically suffered rank prejudice and even violence. Epithets and taunts directed at individuals are especially abhorrent. Individual Mormons (and blacks and others) bravely and publicly opposed Prop 8. Even those who supported Prop 8 are not all anti-gay bigots, though I saw plenty of anti-gay bigotry when I was in California last week. As I’ve repeatedly argued, there are genuine concerns about making a change like this to an important social institution. Those concerns are misplaced and overwrought, but they are not necessarily bigoted.

Here’s my advice to righteously furious gay-marriage supporters: Stop the focus on the Mormon Church. Stop it now. We just lost a ballot fight in which we were falsely but effectively portrayed as attacking religion. So now some of us attack a religion? People were warned that churches would lose their tax-exempt status, which was untrue. So now we have (frivolous) calls for the Mormon Church to lose its tax-exempt status? It’s rather selective indignation, anyway, since lots of demographic groups gave us Prop 8 in different ways — some with money and others with votes. I understand the frustration, but this particular expression of it is wrong and counter-productive.

Furthermore, I see much of the failure as being a result of inaction on the part of powerful people who could have changed this thing. Steve Young refused to show any courage about his views. Progressive politicians of all stripes refused to dispute the erroneous arguments for Prop 8. And most tragically, Governor Schwarzenegger, while saying the challenge “should never happen,” refused to campaign against it. It was our failure to properly mobilize and debunk the myths, not the massive funding of the “traditional marriage” lobby, that stopped us last Tuesday.

But it is only a momentary loss. Virtually nobody in my age bracket (18-30) was behind Prop 8. Many young religious people realize the mistakes of their elders. And every massive struggle for rights has faced massive setbacks.

The current protests, which hurt our cause by separating it from religion (a driving force in all great American social movements, from abolition and suffrage to labor and civil rights). Rather than react to hate and emotionalism with hate and emotionalism, we must conquer our enemies with love—and a healthy dose of civil disobedience.

Carpenter proposes:

If a more intense physical expression of anger and frustration is needed, why not have sit-ins at marriage-license bureaus in California? It could be modeled on the sit-ins at segregated lunch counters in the 1960s. The demonstrations would be targeted at government buildings — rather than at churches. And after all, it’s government policy we’re legitimately protesting, not religious doctrine. Let people get arrested as they sing “We Shall Overcome.” The protesters themselves — gay and straight, single and married, black and white, Mormon and Catholic, Republicans and Democrats, moms and dads raising kids — would suffer and accept the legal consequences of their acts. Rather than instilling fear and resentment in others, rather than dividing people on religious and racial lines, they would literally be putting their own bodies on the line for the good of their relationships, their families, their friends, and for a just cause whose time has come. We’ve had enough of lawyers, courts, focus groups, and media handlers. Let peaceful protesters by the thousands be dragged away just because they want to marry. It would be good old-fashioned civil disobedience, an American protest tradition.

I would gladly be a party to such activities. Sullivan reminds us

Look, guys: we lost an initiative. We lost it by a much smaller margin than in the past, and the next generation will pass it. Boycott as you feel like; protest by all means. But in the end, even constitutional protections require popular support. We have come from nowhere to a near-majority in less than fifteen years since the first marriage case. We have marriage equality in two states, and civil unions in many others. We are winning. If we do not blow it in a hissy-fit that borders on intolerance.

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No depression

I read the New York Times story on the failure of marriage equality in three states today. In response to the story, Charles Kaiser argues:

…this week’s victories for the religious right in California, Arizona and Florida are really the last gasp of a fringe movement trying  to forestall the inevitable, rather than proof of a new “cultural brick wall.”

He also explains action taken on the Eastern seaboard recently and the polls showing the issue of gay rights is largely generational.

Also, Yglesias explains there is no “gay politburo” and the movement is uncontrollable.

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